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Old August 17th, 2000, 10:25 PM
bramleyp@one.net.au
 
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re: RE: [Olive Oil] RE: [Olive Oil] olive varieties
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<pre>Just thinking about your 'cost study worksheet'. Alan Watt and myself are
attending a gourmet producers show at a place called Milton, about 5 hours south
of Sydney, tomorrow. Other olive growers will be attending the show so your
worksheet would be very useful as a handout. If I could get it sometime today
(time now 11:Chris AEST) I would be able to print off some copies for tomorrow
mornings show.

Thanks

Phil


> ** Original Subject: [OliveOil] RE: [Olive Oil] RE: [Olive Oil] olive
varieties
> ** Original Sender: "Steve Sibbett" <sibbett@lightspeed.net>
> ** Original Date: 18 Aug 2000 00:33:08 -0000

> ** Original Message follows...

>
> Phil:
>
> Here it is. I wish growers (i.e. prospective growers) would consider
> economics carefully for their own situation rather than listen to those that
> have an economic incentive for promoting olives and that are usually
> somewhat far removed.
>
> Let me know if this works. Maybe you can pass it along locally.
>
> Steve Sibbett
> U.C. Farm Advisor
> Phone - office 559.733.6486
> Mobil 559.280.0666
> FAX 559.734.2708
>
> -----Original Message-----From: bramleyp@one.net.au
[mailto:bramleyp@one.net.au]
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 5:29 PM
> To: OliveOil@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [OliveOil] RE: [Olive Oil] olive varieties
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Thanks for the post, unfortunately attachments are stripped when posted to
> this group.
>
> Could you please send me a copy of the cost study please, as an attachment
> and preferably in Excel (any version).
>
> Trust you had a good fishing trip?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil Bramley
>
>
> > ** Original Subject: RE: [OliveOil] RE: [Olive Oil] olive varieties
> > ** Original Sender: "Steve Sibbett" <sibbett@lightspeed.net>
> > ** Original Date: 17 Aug 2000 22:49:28 -0000
>
> > ** Original Message follows...
>
> >
> > Group:
> >
> > I think Brian omitted a couple of very important, fundamental
> considerations
> > new olive growers should add to their "check list".
> >
> > 1) Profit:
> > Do you want/need to make a profit (see pg 145 of the olive manual
> if/when
> > in California and intend to produce olive for oil - 20% is what it takes
> > in California, not Italy or AU. Prospective growers should always
> project
> > the % oil at various yields needed to be profitable - see attached)
> and,
> > what level of profit do you expect?
> >
> > 2) non-profit:
> > Or, are you in it simply for the "passion/romance of producing EVOO
> olive
> > oil"? That is, money is not a limited resource.
> >
> > Attached is a cost study we prepared in California for prospective North
> > Coast (Napa Valley) olive growers interested in oil production. Those
> > getting into the business might consider using this as a "worksheet" by
> > putting in their own specifications and projected costs (don't use CA
> costs)
> > in the column provided (note, in this study land is very expensive due to
> > its location and ability to produce wine grapes. Simply change the land
> cost
> > to reflect one's situation - surprisingly it doesn't change things that
> > much).
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > Steve Sibbett
> > U.C. Farm Advisor
> > Phone - office 559.733.6486
> > Mobil 559.280.0666
> > FAX 559.734.2708
> >
> > -----Original Message-----From: Brian Chatterton
> [mailto:tn7685@orvienet.it]
> > Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 7:05 AM
> > To: Olive List
> > Subject: [OliveOil] olive varieties
> >
> >
> > Ian and Jenny,
> >
> > Australia and NZ could do worse than imitate the Italian Kiwi fruit
> > saga. Some ten or fifteen years ago Italy decided to improve its Kiwi
> > production and purchase the latest technology and experience from NZ. It
> > could have done the research itself but it was cheaper and quicker to
> > purchase the whole lot from NZ. Last year Italy overtook NZ as the
> > largest Kiwi fruit producer in the world.
> >
> > Italy purchased NZ technology because it was the best and in spite
> > of the fact that NZ is about as far as one can get from Italy and in
> > spite of the fact they don't speak Italian.
> >
> > Australia and NZ have used California and Israel as their models for
> > olive oil production because they speak English yet these two area
> > hardly rank in the olive oil stakes. Israel produces more than USA but
> > not as much as Libya and a small fraction of Syria, Tunisia
> > etc........... US is not even the biggest producer in the Americas. We
> > all know small is beautiful but what is minute? Ridiculous? It seems to
> > me that it has left Australians and NZ with the strangest collection of
> > obscure olive oil varieties. Beside the problems with Manzanillo which
> > it is now admitted is really a table variety there seem to be large
> > plantings of Barnea, Verdale and Mission. These may well turn out to be
> > world beaters - I certain hope so for the sake of the grower who have
> > invested so much in them - but at the moment they are not major
> > varieties on the world scene.
> >
> > Well that is the past - what now? I think that growers ought to
> > start with a simple checklist. Using the wine industry as an example
> > they should start like this:-
> >
> > Box wine or bottle?
> > White, red or rose table wine?
> > Sparkling?
> > Port or sherry?
> >
> > With olive oil it might go something like this:-
> >
> > Bulk olive oil or EVOO?
> > Bitter and peppery or sweet?
> > Fruit what type?
> >
> > When you have selected the product you wish to produce select the
> > group of varieties that are considered the most suitable. Obviously
> > there are other factors such as soil and climate which will influence
> > the flavor of the oil you produce but variety is a major determinant.
> > And........ one other thing don't worry too much about the oil
> > percentage. It is oil yield that counts and the statement on page 145 of
> > the Olive Production Manual from the University of California (adopted
> > as holy grail in the southern hemisphere) that says you need a minimum
> > of 20% oil to be profitable eliminates most of the Italian industry and
> > certainly all the top quality areas of Umbria and Tuscany.
> >
> > Cheers Brian Chatterton
> >
> >
> >
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