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<pre>Some people like to eat olives as a snack. Some can continue eating
it like candies during the day.
But can someone tell me if eating too much olives affects the body or
health (getting fat or sick/well)?

Charles Meivogel
Holland
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<pre>On Thursday 26 April 2001 13:54, meivogel@usa.net wrote:
>Some people like to eat olives as a snack. Some can continue eating
>it like candies during the day.
>But can someone tell me if eating too much olives affects the body or
>health (getting fat or sick/well)?

Eating a lot of salt-cured olives, or olives preserved in brine, certainly
won't do a lot for your blood pressure. Apart from that, I can't think of
anything in the olives themselves which might cause a problem.

Adrian
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<pre>Dear all

For those wanting to avoid salt

Try ovendried or sundried olives -

Stan Kailis
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<pre>Dear all

Table olives have two major components water and oil. Even though olive
oil as part of the Med diet has been promoted for reducing heart
disease, consumption of any oil or fat in large enough
quantitiesincreases the calory load for the body.

If you are in te risk groups of overweight (Fat), heart problem, mature
onset diabetes then calorie load should be reduced, total fat intake
should be reduced, the ratio of monounsaturated fat intake to saturated
fat intake should be increased.

If you do not have the above problems ( which may be occurring
undetected) the a fewof blood tests weill tell you tour health picture.

¥ Random blood glucose
¥ Cholesterol + Triglycerides + HDL/LDL

I hope this adds some light to the discussion.


Stan Kailis
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<pre>on 2/5/01 10:40 AM, Stan Kailis at kailis@ca.com.au wrote:

> Table olives have two major components water and oil. Even though olive
> oil as part of the Med diet has been promoted for reducing heart
> disease, consumption of any oil or fat in large enough
> quantitiesincreases the calory load for the body.
>
> If you are in te risk groups of overweight (Fat), heart problem, mature
> onset diabetes then calorie load should be reduced, total fat intake
> should be reduced, the ratio of monounsaturated fat intake to saturated
> fat intake should be increased.

Most sedentary people eat too much, most people eat too much of the wrong
things - but that is usually *not* fat. There is good evidence to suggest
that the prime cause of the problems Stan refers to is the overconsumption
of carbohydrates - particularly refined carbohydrates such as sugar, flour
etc.

There is growing move (particularly in the US, where obesity is a national
health disaster waiting to happen) towards "low carb" diets (Atkins Diet,
The Zone, Sugar Busters, Protein Power etc). The idea is that by reducing
your intake of carbohydrate, and increasing your intake of protein and fat,
the body switches to "fat-burning" instead of carbohydrate burning. I have
experimented with The Zone (which is a 40% carb, 30% fat, 30% protein diet),
and while eating more than normal, lost 8kgs. The Atkins Diet is more
extreme, limiting carbs to 20g per day during the first 2 weeks of the diet
while allowing unlimited amounts of fat and protein. Completely counter to
the received dietary wisdom, but apparently very effective (I'm giving it a
bash at the moment) (Not that I'm fat, you understand, just a little
over-endowed in the waist department).

The Zone and Atkins diets claim to make possible huge improvements in blood
cholesterol, total triglycerides and HDL/LDL ratios. I haven't done the
tests on myself, but a friend in the USA started the Zone after getting a
huge shock - his doctor told him that if he didn't lose weight, lower
cholesterol etc etc, he would follow his father into an early grave caused
by heart disease. After four weeks in the Zone, his blood chemistry was so
improved that the doctor thought he'd been prescribed drugs.

All of this is good news for olive oil, because every one of the above diets
sings the praises of the stuff, particularly because of its proven impact on
HDL/LDL ratios.

Eat more meat and vegetables, and dowse the lot in olive oil. Wash it down
with red wine. Don't live on a pasta and bread diet, just enjoy them from
time to time. You'll be doing yourself a favour!

--
Gareth Renowden, Limestone Hills, New Zealand
Words, olives and truffles
Office +64 (0)3 355 9552 Home +64 (0)3 314 9921
Mobile 025 790 070
"Reading maketh a full man; conference a ready man; and writing an exact
man." (Francis Bacon)
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<pre>Stan,
Are you suggesting that simply by drying the olives in the oven or
sun that the bitterness disappears and there is no salt involved in the
process?

Alan Watt, Tanja Olives


-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Kailis [mailto:kailis@ca.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:04 AM
To: OliveOil@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OliveOil] olive diet


Dear all

For those wanting to avoid salt

Try ovendried or sundried olives -

Stan Kailis


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<pre>Gareth et al,
With reference to the following, I submit this book, a well researched
and written expose of the "trendy" diets and their obvious (to anyone
interested in looking at them) shortcomings. Avail from amazon.com.

"Low Fat Lies, High Fat Frauds and the Healthiest Diet in the world."
Kevin Vigilante MD and Mary Flynn, PhD
Lifeline Press, Washington DC, USA, 1999
ISBN 0-89526-321-1

-----------snip---------------snip-----------------snip-----etc

> Most sedentary people eat too much, most people eat too much of the wrong
> things - but that is usually *not* fat. There is good evidence to suggest
> that the prime cause of the problems Stan refers to is the overconsumption
> of carbohydrates - particularly refined carbohydrates such as sugar, flour
> etc.
>
> There is growing move (particularly in the US, where obesity is a national
> health disaster waiting to happen) towards "low carb" diets (Atkins Diet,
> The Zone, Sugar Busters, Protein Power etc). The idea is that by reducing
> your intake of carbohydrate, and increasing your intake of protein and fat,
> the body switches to "fat-burning" instead of carbohydrate burning. I have
> experimented with The Zone (which is a 40% carb, 30% fat, 30% protein diet),
> and while eating more than normal, lost 8kgs. The Atkins Diet is more
> extreme, limiting carbs to 20g per day during the first 2 weeks of the diet
> while allowing unlimited amounts of fat and protein. Completely counter to
> the received dietary wisdom, but apparently very effective (I'm giving it a
> bash at the moment) (Not that I'm fat, you understand, just a little
> over-endowed in the waist department).
>
> The Zone and Atkins diets claim to make possible huge improvements in blood
> cholesterol, total triglycerides and HDL/LDL ratios. I haven't done the
> tests on myself, but a friend in the USA started the Zone after getting a
> huge shock - his doctor told him that if he didn't lose weight, lower
> cholesterol etc etc, he would follow his father into an early grave caused
> by heart disease. After four weeks in the Zone, his blood chemistry was so
> improved that the doctor thought he'd been prescribed drugs.

Vigilante (a particularly unfortunate name for a Profesor of Medicine?)
is VERY scathing of the "zone" diets and similar, because there is
little actual, as opposed to circumstantial and hearsay, evidence that
they actually reduce the potential for heart disease.

> All of this is good news for olive oil, because every one of the above diets
> sings the praises of the stuff, particularly because of its proven impact on
> HDL/LDL ratios.
>
> Eat more meat and vegetables, and dowse the lot in olive oil. Wash it down
> with red wine. Don't live on a pasta and bread diet, just enjoy them from
> time to time. You'll be doing yourself a favour!

BUT, none of the "zone" or "low carb" of "high fat" diets will allow
this type of diet!

I receive NO payment for this recommendation.

John Attwood
Tamworth
(Northern) NSW AU

>
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<pre>Stan Kailis <kailis@c...> wrote:

>
> For those wanting to avoid salt
>
> Try ovendried or sundried olives -
>
Could you give directions please Stan

Thanks
Caroline
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<pre>At 16:06 2/05/01 +1200, you wrote:
>on 2/5/01 10:40 AM, Stan Kailis at kailis@ca.com.au wrote:
>
>>
>
>Most sedentary people eat too much, most people eat too much of the wrong
>things - but that is usually *not* fat. There is good evidence to suggest
>that the prime cause of the problems Stan refers to is the overconsumption
>of carbohydrates - particularly refined carbohydrates such as sugar, flour
>etc.
>
>There is growing move (particularly in the US, where obesity is a national
>health disaster waiting to happen) towards "low carb" diets (Atkins Diet,
>The Zone, Sugar Busters, Protein Power etc). The idea is that by reducing
>your intake of carbohydrate, and increasing your intake of protein and fat,
>the body switches to "fat-burning" instead of carbohydrate burning. I have
>experimented with The Zone (which is a 40% carb, 30% fat, 30% protein diet),
>and while eating more than normal, lost 8kgs. The Atkins Diet is more
>extreme, limiting carbs to 20g per day during the first 2 weeks of the diet
>while allowing unlimited amounts of fat and protein. Completely counter to
>the received dietary wisdom, but apparently very effective (I'm giving it a
>bash at the moment) (Not that I'm fat, you understand, just a little
>over-endowed in the waist department).
>
>The Zone and Atkins diets claim to make possible huge improvements in blood
>cholesterol, total triglycerides and HDL/LDL ratios. I haven't done the
>tests on myself, but a friend in the USA started the Zone after getting a
>huge shock - his doctor told him that if he didn't lose weight, lower
>cholesterol etc etc, he would follow his father into an early grave caused
>by heart disease. After four weeks in the Zone, his blood chemistry was so
>improved that the doctor thought he'd been prescribed drugs.
>
>All of this is good news for olive oil, because every one of the above diets
>sings the praises of the stuff, particularly because of its proven impact on
>HDL/LDL ratios.
>
>Eat more meat and vegetables, and dowse the lot in olive oil. Wash it down
>with red wine. Don't live on a pasta and bread diet, just enjoy them from
>time to time. You'll be doing yourself a favour!
>
>--
>Gareth Renowden, Limestone Hills, New Zealand
>Words, olives and truffles
>Office +64 (0)3 355 9552 Home +64 (0)3 314 9921
>Mobile 025 790 070
>"Reading maketh a full man; conference a ready man; and writing an exact
>man." (Francis Bacon)
>
>I agree that you can lose weight on the low fat diets you mentioned. You
can also lose weight simply by lowering your calorie intake. There are some
problems with very low fat diets. Firstly, it is easy to lose weight, the
trick is to keep the weight off and I am not sure that these diets are easy
to maintain for long periods of time. Another problem, ketogenic diets,
and very low fat diets do generate ketones, can lead to kidney stone
formation. This has been observed in some (less than 10%) of epileptic
patients who are put on these diets. Finally, if the diet is too low in fat
there is a risk of an essential fat deficiency.

Alfred Poulos
Megisti Oils
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<pre>>The idea is that by reducing
>your intake of carbohydrate, and increasing your intake of protein and fat,
>the body switches to "fat-burning" instead of carbohydrate burning. I have
>experimented with The Zone (which is a 40% carb, 30% fat, 30% protein
diet),

Well, your kidneys will not be very grateful for that assault of 30%
proteins!; I hope you drank a lot along with this diet. Secondly, nutrition
poor in carbohydrates and rich in fat and proteins is unavoidably poor in
fibers; your blood vessels probably won't like that, and surely your
intestines may pay you heavily for it later (remember: it's not only the
"visible" fibers that count). Thirdly: you can trick the body only for a
limited time; ultimately a diet with unrestricted fat intake will always
lead to weight gain (fat gives more than twice the calories per weight as
carbohydrates). Fourth, a diet that succeeds in providing weight loss is not
automatically a healthy diet. Lastly, it is rather well researched, what
food composition is healthy for the organism as a whole: proteins: 15%
(preferably more than half of it from animal sources), less might be fine
also, more only during rapid growth or specific training in some sports;
fat: 30%; carbohydrates (of course preferably unrefined): all the rest, i.e.
about 55%!. So while it's right that we should avoid refined carbohydrates
(sugar, but not flower), carbohydrates in general are the most healthy part
of our diet, and fats, if taken in abundance, do make you fat.

All taken together: less animals, more plant products, explicitly including
rice, potatoes, and pasta.

Greetings,

Nikolaus
Dr. Nikolaus Lutz-Dettinger
Belgium
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