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<pre>I have just planted out my third grove of one thousand trees south of
Adelaide in Australia. I have left spaces for pollinators (lechino or
Pendulumo) however I am having trouble getting some of these trees. Could
someone please put me in contact with a supplier of these varieties.
I have also just acquired a grove of one thousand mature trees (we think
about 125 years old) and I was wondering if any one had information
regarding the correct pruning of such trees in regard to mechanical
harvesting.
Regards Ed Vercoe
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<pre>It appears that there are several varities of Olive trees that will
withstand the vagaries of the Irish climate but where can I purchase Olive
trees or young shoots? Do I need to go to Italy or Greece or is there a mail
order specialist that I can use?
Any help would be much appreciated.
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<pre>Approach Renato Canale at Europlants on www.europlants@compuserve.com
located off the M25 in N. London. He imports plants from Italy including
olive trees. State if you are a wholesale or retail customer.
Edward Faridany
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael O'Brien <michael.o'brien@rossirl.ie>
To: OliveOil@onelist.com <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Date: 26 July 1999 14:55
Subject: RE: [OliveOil] supply of trees


>From: "Michael O'Brien" <michael.o'brien@rossirl.ie>
>
>It appears that there are several varities of Olive trees that will
>withstand the vagaries of the Irish climate but where can I purchase Olive
>trees or young shoots? Do I need to go to Italy or Greece or is there a
mail
>order specialist that I can use?
>Any help would be much appreciated.
>
>
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<pre>Hi Ed

Hope I can help you with sourcing some trees.
We have recently planted Leccino and Pendolino (this may be Pendulumo I'm
not sure, but Pendolino is a pollinator).
The trees came from Olea Nurseries in Waroona Western Australia. The nursery
is run by Luigi Bazzani, his daughter Linda and her husband Chris.
Phone 0897 332 100
Fax. 0897 333 014

The AOA has a video addressing planting and pruning techniques, I can't
remember the particular details off-hand for harvesting, but it may be worth
a look if you know someone who has the video. Luigi Bazzani actually has a
starring role in the video, he guides the viewer through the pruning and
planting techniques.

Regards

Alex. Halsey

At 06:37 26/07/99 PDT, you wrote:
>From: "ed vercoe" <evercoe@hotmail.com>
>
>I have just planted out my third grove of one thousand trees south of
>Adelaide in Australia. I have left spaces for pollinators (lechino or
>Pendulumo) however I am having trouble getting some of these trees. Could
>someone please put me in contact with a supplier of these varieties.
>I have also just acquired a grove of one thousand mature trees (we think
>about 125 years old) and I was wondering if any one had information
>regarding the correct pruning of such trees in regard to mechanical
>harvesting.
> Regards Ed Vercoe
>
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blakemin@iinet.net.au
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<pre>You enquire about correct pruning for mechanical harvesting [hence lower
yields, tree damage]. Why mechanical? With your chronic unemployment,
particularly amongst the aboriginal population, you have a potentially good
source of affordable labour.
-----Original Message-----
From: Blake Mining Associates <blakemin@iinet.net.au>
To: OliveOil@onelist.com <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Date: 27 July 1999 9:32
Subject: Re: [OliveOil] supply of trees


>From: Blake Mining Associates <blakemin@iinet.net.au>
>
>Hi Ed
>
>Hope I can help you with sourcing some trees.
>We have recently planted Leccino and Pendolino (this may be Pendulumo I'm
>not sure, but Pendolino is a pollinator).
>The trees came from Olea Nurseries in Waroona Western Australia. The
nursery
>is run by Luigi Bazzani, his daughter Linda and her husband Chris.
>Phone 0897 332 100
>Fax. 0897 333 014
>
>The AOA has a video addressing planting and pruning techniques, I can't
>remember the particular details off-hand for harvesting, but it may be
worth
>a look if you know someone who has the video. Luigi Bazzani actually has a
>starring role in the video, he guides the viewer through the pruning and
>planting techniques.
>
>Regards
>
>Alex. Halsey
>
>At 06:37 26/07/99 PDT, you wrote:
>>From: "ed vercoe" <evercoe@hotmail.com>
>>
>>I have just planted out my third grove of one thousand trees south of
>>Adelaide in Australia. I have left spaces for pollinators (lechino or
>>Pendulumo) however I am having trouble getting some of these trees. Could
>>someone please put me in contact with a supplier of these varieties.
>>I have also just acquired a grove of one thousand mature trees (we think
>>about 125 years old) and I was wondering if any one had information
>>regarding the correct pruning of such trees in regard to mechanical
>>harvesting.
>> Regards Ed Vercoe
>>
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<pre>Hi All I'm new to this so pse forgive any errors in protocol.

I live in South Africa where unemployment is amongst the highest in the
world. Unfortunately this does not stop technology and we see , today , that
even sugar cane is being harvested mechanically.

anyway I am currently researching the viability of setting up a grove in
South Africa.

pse could someone advise me as to how many trees i should be planning on to
make it commercially viable ie to support a family of 4.Obviously figures
vary from country to country but ball park figures are fine.

rgds

chris



>From: "Phil Bramley" <bramleyp@one.net.au>
>Reply-To: OliveOil@onelist.com
>To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
>Subject: RE: [OliveOil] supply of trees
>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:12:22 +1000
>
>From: "Phil Bramley" <bramleyp@one.net.au>
>
>Edward, I hope your posting about harvesting using unemployed was tongue in
>cheek?
>
>Hand picking by unemployed people is not
>a practical suggestion because costs of labour - all labour - make hand
>harvesting of olives/grapes etc uneconomical. A large olive grove, say 10
>years old, produces around 70kgs of fruit per tree. How many hours would it
>take to pick 3000 trees and at $12 to $15 per hour dare I suggest that this
>makes it the largest most expensive component of producing table olives and
>olive oil.
>
>By using mechanical harvesting small olive growers, and indeed large
>growers, can offset the cheaper labour rates in traditional olive producing
>countries.
>
>As for using Aboriginal labour in the North West of Australia I don't think
>this is a very realistic suggestion.
>
>Regards
>
>Phil Bramley
>
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<pre>Edward, I hope your posting about harvesting using unemployed was tongue in
cheek?

Hand picking by unemployed people is not
a practical suggestion because costs of labour - all labour - make hand
harvesting of olives/grapes etc uneconomical. A large olive grove, say 10
years old, produces around 70kgs of fruit per tree. How many hours would it
take to pick 3000 trees and at $12 to $15 per hour dare I suggest that this
makes it the largest most expensive component of producing table olives and
olive oil.

By using mechanical harvesting small olive growers, and indeed large
growers, can offset the cheaper labour rates in traditional olive producing
countries.

As for using Aboriginal labour in the North West of Australia I don't think
this is a very realistic suggestion.

Regards

Phil Bramley
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<pre>I am totally serious. If you are comparing only your variable costs and the
time it takes to pick by hand versus mechanically as well as applying full
labour rates, then I agree with you. But amortise in your capital costs for
equipment on the one hand while applying minimum acceptable labour rates
starts making the numbers look different. Why cannot you introduce
aboriginal labour? Government grants, tax holidays and other incentives
which you would attract by so doing could make it financially worthwhile,
could it not?
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Bramley <bramleyp@one.net.au>
To: OliveOil@onelist.com <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Date: 03 August 1999 11:10
Subject: RE: [OliveOil] supply of trees


>From: "Phil Bramley" <bramleyp@one.net.au>
>
>Edward, I hope your posting about harvesting using unemployed was tongue in
>cheek?
>
>Hand picking by unemployed people is not
>a practical suggestion because costs of labour - all labour - make hand
>harvesting of olives/grapes etc uneconomical. A large olive grove, say 10
>years old, produces around 70kgs of fruit per tree. How many hours would it
>take to pick 3000 trees and at $12 to $15 per hour dare I suggest that this
>makes it the largest most expensive component of producing table olives and
>olive oil.
>
>By using mechanical harvesting small olive growers, and indeed large
>growers, can offset the cheaper labour rates in traditional olive producing
>countries.
>
>As for using Aboriginal labour in the North West of Australia I don't think
>this is a very realistic suggestion.
>
>Regards
>
>Phil Bramley
>
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<pre>Phil I think you are getting sucked into dangerous territory here.

Although up to now a lurker I will add 2 cents worth anyway.

1) Aboriginal labourers are like any other type of labourers in this
country. They are both scarce and expensive. The minimum wage for labourers
is set by law. In addition there are strong labour unions protecting the
rights and wages and benefits of workers. No matter what race they are or
what job they are doing.

2) It would be illegal in this country to offer a job to someone because he
or she is aboriginal. Unless aboriginality was a specific requirement for
the job. It would also be illegal to offer a job based on he or she.

3) Please explain the Government grants, tax holidays, and other incentives,
to which you refer.

4) On the other hand a machine is bought with pretax dollars, financed with
pretax interest and is depreciated over 5 - 10 years and never takes a
holiday or a sicky. It supports a driver in air conditioned comfort and
keeps the MAJOR cost of wages down.

I think these are some of the reasons we dont use the system you suggest.

John

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>From: "Edward Faridany" <ekf@lineone.net>
>To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
>Subject: Re: [OliveOil] supply of trees
>Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 4:32 AM
>

> From: "Edward Faridany" <ekf@lineone.net>
>
> I am totally serious. If you are comparing only your variable costs and the
> time it takes to pick by hand versus mechanically as well as applying full
> labour rates, then I agree with you. But amortise in your capital costs for
> equipment on the one hand while applying minimum acceptable labour rates
> starts making the numbers look different. Why cannot you introduce
> aboriginal labour? Government grants, tax holidays and other incentives
> which you would attract by so doing could make it financially worthwhile,
> could it not?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Bramley <bramleyp@one.net.au>
> To: OliveOil@onelist.com <OliveOil@onelist.com>
> Date: 03 August 1999 11:10
> Subject: RE: [OliveOil] supply of trees
>
>
>>From: "Phil Bramley" <bramleyp@one.net.au>
>>
>>Edward, I hope your posting about harvesting using unemployed was tongue in
>>cheek?
>>
>>Hand picking by unemployed people is not
>>a practical suggestion because costs of labour - all labour - make hand
>>harvesting of olives/grapes etc uneconomical. A large olive grove, say 10
>>years old, produces around 70kgs of fruit per tree. How many hours would it
>>take to pick 3000 trees and at $12 to $15 per hour dare I suggest that this
>>makes it the largest most expensive component of producing table olives and
>>olive oil.
>>
>>By using mechanical harvesting small olive growers, and indeed large
>>growers, can offset the cheaper labour rates in traditional olive producing
>>countries.
>>
>>As for using Aboriginal labour in the North West of Australia I don't think
>>this is a very realistic suggestion.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Phil Bramley
>>
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<pre>Edward, the one thing missing in your utopian suggestion of using
unemployed/indigenous labour is government beauracracy and obfuscation!

In Australia you cannot pay labour less than the award rate. In the case of
casual fruit pickers I think that this is around $12 per hour. How many
trees, based on the 70kg per tree model, could skilled labour pick in one
hour? And try finding skilled and reliable pickers. Small growers, between
2000-5000 trees, would have difficulty in finding suitable pickers when
needed. The floating population of fruit pickers throughout Australia would
tend to gravitate to the traditional areas (table fruit, nuts, grapes etc)
for work. If you are out of that mainstream then I would suggest that the
labour market would be different and hard to find.

Regards

Phil Bramley
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