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<pre>Hi All

I would like to take a moment to recognize the following few members in good
standing that have been with us since the first month of inception of this
fine group:

They are as follows:

Name Member Since
Jamal Sadoun 12/7/98 (Founder)
Aris Karatzas 12/31/98
Poussin 1/1/99
Jos Weemaes 1/1/99
Luciano Biundo 1/2/99
Taieb Zgolli 1/2/99
Norm Corley 1/3/99
Richard Ward 1/4/99
Adrian Shaw 1/4/99
Craig Hill 1/5/99
Margaret Chidgey 1/5/99
Susan Sweeney 1/5/99
Theodora Karlis 1/7/99

Let's give an "Extra Virgin" round of applause to the above members and to
all on board.

I strongly believe that this group is serving its purpose of being an
educational and a networking discussion group where members can get together
and chat about olives and olive oil. Keep up the good work fellows.

Cheers, Sadoun

P.S. If your name is up there and we haven't heard from you lately, drop us
a note, will you?
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<pre>>P.S. If your name is up there and we haven't heard from you lately, drop us
>a note, will you?
OK, a note.

Hard to believe the list has been running over a year now. I've enjoyed
watching the growth, even if not submitting regularly. If we ever had a
problem believe me, I'd be asking!

I've especially enjoyed watching our olive growing friends in NZ and Australia
working their butts off to get their groves going.

I've learned from our southern brethren that kangaroos in your grove are much
more destructive than the flock of sheep & goats we have in our grove regularly
to keep the weeds down. Even get a couple of lambs and about 20 kilos of feta
a year for grazing rights. Guess you need shepherds that know how to control
the flock. Too bad they don't have kangaroo shepherds.

I really don't have more to add. I'm more of a hobby farmer than a pro, if you
can call 800+ trees a hobby. I'll add the pro when I do it full time.

Our farm is 60+ acres outside Agrinio in Western Greece.

Back to lurk mode.

Norm

Norm Corley
Athens, Greece
http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/7003 - Personal Page
http://radivision.hypermart.net - Business Page

"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian!"
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<pre>Welcome lurker Norm.

We would be happy to export our kangaroos to save further damage to our
olive trees but there are so many of them. I have between 30 to 40 of them
(not counting the more destructive wallaby; a small kangaroo) bounce across
my property on a daily basis.

Over the past few weeks I have allowed cows and horses to graze in a paddock
with newly planted olive trees. They seem to have left them well alone and
the olives have not suffered any damage. Anyone familiar with cows on farms
will know that cows will eat almost anything, even my wife's roses in the
house garden, so it was interesting to see the cows avoid the olives.

Is there any one area in Greece where the olive industry is concentrated?

Regards,

Phil Bramley
Australia
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<pre>Phil - what age are your trees? I would love a couple of cows grazing on my
organic olive grove to help control the lush grass growth. Our trees only
range from 6 months to 2 years .
regards
john bishop
----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Bramley <bramleyp@one.net.au>
To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: [OliveOil] Our most senior members


> From: "Phil Bramley" <bramleyp@one.net.au>
>
> Welcome lurker Norm.
>
> We would be happy to export our kangaroos to save further damage to our
> olive trees but there are so many of them. I have between 30 to 40 of them
> (not counting the more destructive wallaby; a small kangaroo) bounce
across
> my property on a daily basis.
>
> Over the past few weeks I have allowed cows and horses to graze in a
paddock
> with newly planted olive trees. They seem to have left them well alone and
> the olives have not suffered any damage. Anyone familiar with cows on
farms
> will know that cows will eat almost anything, even my wife's roses in the
> house garden, so it was interesting to see the cows avoid the olives.
>
> Is there any one area in Greece where the olive industry is concentrated?
>
> Regards,
>
> Phil Bramley
> Australia
>
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<pre>Happy we don't have any of those hoppy things here Phil. They probably
wouldn't last long anyway. Greek hunters shoot almost anything.

The area our farm is in is all agricultural with a variety of crops. As far as
a concentrated olive industry I honestly don't know. Maybe one of the
commercial Greek growers on the list can answer that one. To me the olive
industry seems to be all over Greece. I find it irritating that Greek olive
oil, labeled as such, is so hard to find outside of Greece. Maybe the industry
will catch up some day. Most of our product is exported to Italy and bottled
there as Italian Olive Oil. The following is an excerpt from a page at
www.oliveoil.gr, not a bad site for general info on the industry here. Take a
look at the habitat page. It might give you an idea of the extent of olive
cultivation here:

>120,000,000 olive trees, 10,000,000 Greeks Almost 350,000 Greek families
>involved in olive tree cultivation. That is small scale farming, the plot
coming
>down from father to son; each separate tree linked to childhood memories;
>each separate tree carefully selected for the specific plot; over 100 varieties
>painstakingly created over the centuries to match local conditions:
temperatures
>and rainfall on a monthly basis, soil variations, pest resistance, wind
resistance,
>maturing time.

Norm

Norm Corley
Athens, Greece
http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/7003 - Personal Page
http://radivision.hypermart.net - Business Page

"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian!"
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<pre>Alle 11.46 24/02/2000 +1100, Phil Bramley ha mandato a Marco questo messaggio:

>We would be happy to export our kangaroos to save further damage to our
>olive trees but there are so many of them. I have between 30 to 40 of them
>(not counting the more destructive wallaby; a small kangaroo) bounce across
>my property on a daily basis.

Do you have some kangaroo recipes?
In case your kangaroos aren't edible you can contact some zoos: I guess
they can buy them.
If you need, we have a lot of wildhogs: our farmers will be happy to send
you some to fight wallabies.

Just kidding... here somebody use electric fences for wildhogs: maybe they
can even be useful in your case.

Bye!

Marco Bernardini
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<pre>Actually, the electric fence idea has proven to be quite efficacious over at
Toscany (Horsham, Australia). Frank, the new owner of Toscany, was plagued
by roos and wallabies and tried (late 99) electric fencing on one particular
section. His plantation (of 55000 trees) is about 55 years old.

The section he did (of about 10000 trees) has now been fenced and the
roos/wallabies driven out never to return. Of course the cost (of a 2
metre) border is high but.....

Now, if someone can think of a way to control fire at the boundary fence it
would be quite useful. At the same plantation last year, roughly 3/4's of
the trees were burnt. Happily, the Spring saw vigorous regrowth and, while
this leads to extensive suckering/pruning, it has at least got rid of his
other major problem. This was scale.

Regards


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To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Cc: <ftony@uno.it>; <cichina@libero.it>; <vbenza@taggiasca.com>;
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> From: Marco Bernardini <webmaster@taggiasca.com>
>
> Alle 11.46 24/02/2000 +1100, Phil Bramley ha mandato a Marco questo
messaggio:
>
> >We would be happy to export our kangaroos to save further damage to our
> >olive trees but there are so many of them. I have between 30 to 40 of
them
> >(not counting the more destructive wallaby; a small kangaroo) bounce
across
> >my property on a daily basis.
>
> Do you have some kangaroo recipes?
> In case your kangaroos aren't edible you can contact some zoos: I guess
> they can buy them.
> If you need, we have a lot of wildhogs: our farmers will be happy to send
> you some to fight wallabies.
>
> Just kidding... here somebody use electric fences for wildhogs: maybe they
> can even be useful in your case.
>
> Bye!
>
> Marco Bernardini
>
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<pre>Norm

That's quite interesting that you cannot get greek oil, labelled as such,
with any degree of easiness. A chap I know in Oz has two groves back in
Greece (his brother runs them) and he has started to import tonnes of the
stuff over here. I understand that the Greek Government offers a bounty of
$1/litre export subsidy so that the industry may grow.

I tasted last years oil and it had very pleasant organoleptic qualities and
came in at 0.5% acidity (mine was 0.4% and better organoleptic qualities).
He anticipates bringing in excess of 50 tonnes this year - and it's
definitely labelled Greek. A trogan effort.

Regards


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From: <ncorley@otenet.gr>
To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2000 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OliveOil] Our most senior members


> From: ncorley@otenet.gr
>
> Happy we don't have any of those hoppy things here Phil. They probably
> wouldn't last long anyway. Greek hunters shoot almost anything.
>
> The area our farm is in is all agricultural with a variety of crops. As
far as
> a concentrated olive industry I honestly don't know. Maybe one of the
> commercial Greek growers on the list can answer that one. To me the olive
> industry seems to be all over Greece. I find it irritating that Greek
olive
> oil, labeled as such, is so hard to find outside of Greece. Maybe the
industry
> will catch up some day. Most of our product is exported to Italy and
bottled
> there as Italian Olive Oil. The following is an excerpt from a page at
> www.oliveoil.gr, not a bad site for general info on the industry here.
Take a
> look at the habitat page. It might give you an idea of the extent of
olive
> cultivation here:
>
> >120,000,000 olive trees, 10,000,000 Greeks Almost 350,000 Greek families
> >involved in olive tree cultivation. That is small scale farming, the plot
coming
> >down from father to son; each separate tree linked to childhood memories;
> >each separate tree carefully selected for the specific plot; over 100
varieties
> >painstakingly created over the centuries to match local conditions:
temperatures
> >and rainfall on a monthly basis, soil variations, pest resistance, wind
resistance,
> >maturing time.
>
> Norm
>
> Norm Corley
> Athens, Greece
> http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/7003 - Personal Page
> http://radivision.hypermart.net - Business Page
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<pre>>From: "P Caird" <caird@hitech.net.au>
>
>Norm
>
>That's quite interesting that you cannot get greek oil, labelled as such,
>with any degree of easiness. A chap I know in Oz has two groves back in
>Greece (his brother runs them) and he has started to import tonnes of the
>stuff over here. I understand that the Greek Government offers a bounty of
>$1/litre export subsidy so that the industry may grow.
>
>I tasted last years oil and it had very pleasant organoleptic qualities and
>came in at 0.5% acidity (mine was 0.4% and better organoleptic qualities).
>He anticipates bringing in excess of 50 tonnes this year - and it's
>definitely labelled Greek. A trogan effort.
>
>Regards
I have no problem finding Greek oil here in Greece, but during a recent trip to
the U.S., Atlanta and a little town in Central California called Visalia. On
a side note Visalia is in Tulare county which used to be the largest olive
producing region in the U.S. Not much in the way of olives in the county now.
I couldn't find anything but Italian oil, and the quality was terrible. Of
course that opinion comes after many years of using nothing but our own oil.

Interesting note on the subsidy. I'm going to have to look into that, but
knowing the Greek Government there's got to be a catch somewhere, like the one
dollar subsidy is taxed at 110%. Thanks for the info!

I have no idea what our oil would test at. Our Kalamatas yielded this year and
all I know is that the taste is FANTASTIC. Sorry, I'm into mouth watering mode
know and think I'll grab one of my favorite snacks, feta drizzled with olive
oil and sprinkled with fresh oregano. Mandatory glass of good Mytilini ouzo on
the side.

Norm

Norm Corley
Athens, Greece
http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/7003 - Personal Page
http://radivision.hypermart.net - Business Page

"I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian!"
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<pre>Norm, your favourite snacks sound great - don't ever swap for kangaroo
sarnies (translated from the Oz ...kangaroo sandwiches).

How far are you from Istanbul? I might have to come up and join you for a
snack and a shot of that interesting Mytilini ouzo during my perambulations
around Turkey in April.

Regards,

Phil
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