Brian,

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Chatterton <tn7685@orvienet.it>
To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Sent: Saturday, 24 July 1999 23:06
Subject: [OliveOil] Blending of olive oil


> The reason is that all groves in Italy are mixed plantings for the
> sake of pollination with at least two but usually three or more varieties.
> Each zone has a group of varieties which are common and which give the
> characteristic flavour to the oil from that zone. These are now enshrined
> in the DOC regulations with the best varieties (such as Frantoio and
> Moraiolo) having certain minimum percentages.

Would you please be so kind as to tell me where I may find information on
these DOC regulations.

> There is still considerable confusion in Australia and New Zealand
> about the pollination of olives. Not only the famous Barnea fiasco but
> other varieties such as Frantoio which are consistently put down as "self
> pollinating". Research at the University of Perugia shows that it is not
> worth taking the chance and lots of pollinators in the grove are the best
> option.

Most plantings in our region (ie Kolan Olive Growers Association) are
straight Frantoio, with considerable interest in Barnea now being expressed.
Would you please tell me what the 'famous Barnea fiasco' is. Any pointers to
information on the web would be greatly appreciated.

regards,
Kim
---
Mengyuan
Lot 24 Woodswallow Drive
Gin Gin Qld 4671
Australia
voice: +61(7)4157-3024
fax: +61(7)4157-3025
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ICQ: 16951323

Until about two years ago, people who grew Barnea ( an Israel cultivar) in
NZ realise that it didn't fruit. It was later discovered that this species
needed the Manzanillo and Picholene (planted on the windward side) to
enhance pollination.

Professor Shimon Lavee, who developed the Barnea cultivar, said that Barnea
" is like a spolit child, give it everything that it wants and it will
perform beautifully. Remove one of the things that it wants and it will spit
the dummy."


Chew




----- Original Message -----
From: Mengyuan country guesthouse, B&B <fod@ozemail.com.au>
To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [OliveOil] Blending of olive oil


>From: "Mengyuan country guesthouse, B&B" <fod@ozemail.com.au>
>
>Brian,
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Chatterton <tn7685@orvienet.it>
>To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
>Sent: Saturday, 24 July 1999 23:06
>Subject: [OliveOil] Blending of olive oil
>
>
>> The reason is that all groves in Italy are mixed plantings for
the
>> sake of pollination with at least two but usually three or more
varieties.
>> Each zone has a group of varieties which are common and which give the
>> characteristic flavour to the oil from that zone. These are now enshrined
>> in the DOC regulations with the best varieties (such as Frantoio and
>> Moraiolo) having certain minimum percentages.
>
>Would you please be so kind as to tell me where I may find information on
>these DOC regulations.
>
>> There is still considerable confusion in Australia and New
Zealand
>> about the pollination of olives. Not only the famous Barnea fiasco but
>> other varieties such as Frantoio which are consistently put down as "self
>> pollinating". Research at the University of Perugia shows that it is not
>> worth taking the chance and lots of pollinators in the grove are the best
>> option.
>
>Most plantings in our region (ie Kolan Olive Growers Association) are
>straight Frantoio, with considerable interest in Barnea now being
expressed.
>Would you please tell me what the 'famous Barnea fiasco' is. Any pointers
to
>information on the web would be greatly appreciated.
>
> regards,
> Kim
>---
>Mengyuan
>Lot 24 Woodswallow Drive
>Gin Gin Qld 4671
>Australia
>voice: +61(7)4157-3024
>fax: +61(7)4157-3025
>fod@ozemail.com.au
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fod
>ICQ: 16951323

Brian, thank you very much for that information.

This year's oil harvest ( our first) from a mixture of 3 year old and 9 year
old trees were a blend of Paragon, Corregiolo, UC13A6 (not an oil variety),
Koroneki, Manzanillo and about 10-15 kilos of olives from colonial trees
(c1850) nearby. The oil certainly tastes very good but I was wondering could
we single out varieties and produce oil as only Frantoio or Manzanillo etc.

regards

Phil Bramley

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<pre>From Leigh Jackson

Could you please offer to me the details of the Barnea Feasco. It looks as if
Ive come in on the tail end of the subject, But I have heard that there was a
considerable problem experienced in NZ.

Also if anybody has had dealings with the company Agrolive would you tell me of
your experiences with them and of the outcomes.

Thanks.

YF&CS Chew wrote:

> From: "YF&CS Chew" <birding@es.co.nz>
>
> Until about two years ago, people who grew Barnea ( an Israel cultivar) in
> NZ realise that it didn't fruit. It was later discovered that this species
> needed the Manzanillo and Picholene (planted on the windward side) to
> enhance pollination.
>
> Professor Shimon Lavee, who developed the Barnea cultivar, said that Barnea
> " is like a spolit child, give it everything that it wants and it will
> perform beautifully. Remove one of the things that it wants and it will spit
> the dummy."
>
> Chew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mengyuan country guesthouse, B&B <fod@ozemail.com.au>
> To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [OliveOil] Blending of olive oil
>
> >From: "Mengyuan country guesthouse, B&B" <fod@ozemail.com.au>
> >
> >Brian,
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Brian Chatterton <tn7685@orvienet.it>
> >To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, 24 July 1999 23:06
> >Subject: [OliveOil] Blending of olive oil
> >
> >
> >> The reason is that all groves in Italy are mixed plantings for
> the
> >> sake of pollination with at least two but usually three or more
> varieties.
> >> Each zone has a group of varieties which are common and which give the
> >> characteristic flavour to the oil from that zone. These are now enshrined
> >> in the DOC regulations with the best varieties (such as Frantoio and
> >> Moraiolo) having certain minimum percentages.
> >
> >Would you please be so kind as to tell me where I may find information on
> >these DOC regulations.
> >
> >> There is still considerable confusion in Australia and New
> Zealand
> >> about the pollination of olives. Not only the famous Barnea fiasco but
> >> other varieties such as Frantoio which are consistently put down as "self
> >> pollinating". Research at the University of Perugia shows that it is not
> >> worth taking the chance and lots of pollinators in the grove are the best
> >> option.
> >
> >Most plantings in our region (ie Kolan Olive Growers Association) are
> >straight Frantoio, with considerable interest in Barnea now being
> expressed.
> >Would you please tell me what the 'famous Barnea fiasco' is. Any pointers
> to
> >information on the web would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > regards,
> > Kim
> >---
> >Mengyuan
> >Lot 24 Woodswallow Drive
> >Gin Gin Qld 4671
> >Australia
> >voice: +61(7)4157-3024
> >fax: +61(7)4157-3025
> >fod@ozemail.com.au
> >http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fod
> >ICQ: 16951323
> >
> >
> >
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<pre>There is no reason why you cannot produce a straight varietal olive
oil in the same way as a Shiraz or Sauvignon Blanc but there are not many
around in spite of what some of the food writers say.

The reason is that all groves in Italy are mixed plantings for the
sake of pollination with at least two but usually three or more varieties.
Each zone has a group of varieties which are common and which give the
characteristic flavour to the oil from that zone. These are now enshrined
in the DOC regulations with the best varieties (such as Frantoio and
Moraiolo) having certain minimum percentages.

It is the mix of varieties combined with the climate (particularly
the temperature during late autumn) that make the oils from each zone so
distinctive.

There is still considerable confusion in Australia and New Zealand
about the pollination of olives. Not only the famous Barnea fiasco but
other varieties such as Frantoio which are consistently put down as "self
pollinating". Research at the University of Perugia shows that it is not
worth taking the chance and lots of pollinators in the grove are the best
option.

Cheers Brian Chatterton
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