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<pre>----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Chatterton <tn7685@orvienet.it>
To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Sent: Saturday, 24 July 1999 23:06
Subject: [OliveOil] Blending of olive oil


> There is still considerable confusion in Australia and New Zealand
> about the pollination of olives. Not only the famous Barnea fiasco but
> other varieties such as Frantoio which are consistently put down as "self
> pollinating". Research at the University of Perugia shows that it is not
> worth taking the chance and lots of pollinators in the grove are the best
> option.

I am keen to find out more information on pollinators.

Is there data/research to support certain pollinator varieties for certain
crop varieties (eg what would be the best pollinators to put with a Frantoio
grove)?

Is there data/research to suggest the best positioning within the grove,
ratio of pollinators to main crop producers, or any such similar
data/research?

regards,
Kim
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Mengyuan
Lot 24 Woodswallow Drive
Gin Gin Qld 4671
Australia
voice: +61(7)4157-3024
fax: +61(7)4157-3025
fod@ozemail.com.au
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fod
ICQ: 16951323
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<pre>Kim, many thanks for your recipe for 'Olive Leaf Tea'. While I don't think
it will replace my liking for a nice white I can almost feel it doing me a
lot of good. It is bitter isn't it?

regards

Phil
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<pre>Kim wrote:
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:30:45 +1000
From: "Mengyuan country guesthouse, B&B" <fod@ozemail.com.au>
Subject: Pollinators

I am keen to find out more information on pollinators.

Is there data/research to support certain pollinator varieties for certain
crop varieties (eg what would be the best pollinators to put with a Frantoio
grove)?

Is there data/research to suggest the best positioning within the grove,
ratio of pollinators to main crop producers, or any such similar
data/research?

regards,
Kim
---
Mengyuan
Lot 24 Woodswallow Drive
Gin Gin Qld 4671
Australia
voice: +61(7)4157-3024
fax: +61(7)4157-3025
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fod
ICQ: 16951323

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We have about 1000 olive trees near Volterra, central Tuscany, composed as
follows:
50% frantoio, 40% leccino, 10% pendolino. This is the "classical mixture"
which is used normally in new plantations in our zone. Pendolino is not only
a good pollinator but produces also well. So there should be no problem to
use more than 10%. The pollinators will be planted diffused in the
plantation, taking care to allow the wind to bring the polline to the other
trees (considering the main wind directions).
Prof. Fontanazza from the university of Perugia says about
- Leccino: constant productivity, resists well against the cold and many
insects, autosterile
- Frantoio or Correggiolo: easily adaptable to various climatic zones,
medium resistance against cold, but sensible against fungine
diseases,autofertile (!)
- Pendolino: main pollinator for frantoio and leccino, good productivity,
the cultivar is autoincompatible.

I would like to thank those who offered contacts and informations about New
Zealand.
Volker Piasta
Agriturismo Podere San Lorenzo
I - 56048 Volterra (PI)
Tel: 0039 0588 39080
Fax: 0039 0588 39090
email: piasta@sirt.pisa.it
http://www.toscana-toskana.de/olio/
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<pre>Phil,

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Bramley <bramleyp@one.net.au>
To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Sent: Monday, 2 August 1999 19:43
Subject: RE: [OliveOil] Pollinators


> Kim, many thanks for your recipe for 'Olive Leaf Tea'. While I don't think
> it will replace my liking for a nice white I can almost feel it doing me a
> lot of good. It is bitter isn't it?

You're welcome. You can dilute it a bit more if you find the bitterness too
great. We had a guest yesterday who is a black tea drinker. He wanted to try
the olive leaf tea. We warmed our normal stock brew at 50:50 dilution. He
said it was excellent and preferred it to his normal black tea.
regards,
Kim
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Mengyuan
Lot 24 Woodswallow Drive
Gin Gin Qld 4671
Australia
voice: +61(7)4157-3024
fax: +61(7)4157-3025
fod@ozemail.com.au
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fod
ICQ: 16951323
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<pre>Kim, are you able to discern any benefits/improvements to your general
well-being from taking olive leaf tea? How long have you been taking it?

Phil
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<pre>Phil,

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Bramley <bramleyp@one.net.au>
To: <OliveOil@onelist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 1999 19:41
Subject: RE: [OliveOil] Pollinators


> Kim, are you able to discern any benefits/improvements to your general
> well-being from taking olive leaf tea? How long have you been taking it?

Always hard to tell what is psychological and what is real. I do know that
friends who have caught the flu are up and feeling great an hour after a
concentrated glass. I keep trying to check the references in Morton Walker's
book as I am a scientist by profession. I think it's safe to say that the
in-vitro results are outstanding even if there are few in-vivo studies
providing the confirmation. If it can kill Ebola in a test tube, that's good
enough for me.
regards,
Kim.
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Mengyuan
Lot 24 Woodswallow Drive
Gin Gin Qld 4671
Australia
voice: +61(7)4157-3024
fax: +61(7)4157-3025
fod@ozemail.com.au
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~fod
ICQ: 16951323
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<pre>Kim,

The bitterness doesn't taste so bad anymore! If it can dispose of Ebola then
I might just keep drinking it.

Thanks for your interesting feedback.

Regards

Phil
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<pre>Kim,

The bitterness doesn't taste so bad anymore! If it can dispose of Ebola then
I might just keep drinking it.

Thanks for your interesting feedback.

Regards

Phil
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<pre>I agree - putting all the pollinators on one side is taking a big chance
that the wind is always blowing from the same direction. Here the
recommendation is about 60 m in every direction but most people have
more than that.

I was interested that you are planting mostly table olives. It
seems to me (but people in the grove in Oz will have more precise info)
that there are now enough table olive trees in the ground in Oz to
satisfy the market a number of times over. It seems to me a classic
economic cycle where the delay between planting and production means
planting goes on when there is already a surplus in the pipeline. Oz
already produces a very large part of the table olive market
domestically while it is only a small percentage of the oil market that
is producted locally. What are the export prospects? There is ample
evidence that table olives make poor oil.

Cheers Brian Chatterton (Castel di Fiori, TR, ITALIA)
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<pre>Brian,

We have spoken to the local processor at Mt Compass here in SA, who has told
us that we would do well to plant table olives as he cannot get enough and
does not know of enough being planted to make up his deficit. He has
assured us, knowing that we will not be supplying for some years, that he
will take all that we can grow. A few others in the industry in SA have
also told us we are going the right way, so we hope they are correct as we
do not really want to put our money into the wrong type of olives. Everyone
seems to be going to oil. Are we wrong and should we be changing our minds
before it is too late? I might talk to Susan Sweeney at Primary Industries
again as we can still change if need be.

Thanks for your concern.

Trudy Hollinshead

Brian Chatterton wrote:

> I agree - putting all the pollinators on one side is taking a big chance
> that the wind is always blowing from the same direction. Here the
> recommendation is about 60 m in every direction but most people have
> more than that.
>
> I was interested that you are planting mostly table olives. It
> seems to me (but people in the grove in Oz will have more precise info)
> that there are now enough table olive trees in the ground in Oz to
> satisfy the market a number of times over. It seems to me a classic
> economic cycle where the delay between planting and production means
> planting goes on when there is already a surplus in the pipeline. Oz
> already produces a very large part of the table olive market
> domestically while it is only a small percentage of the oil market that
> is producted locally. What are the export prospects? There is ample
> evidence that table olives make poor oil.
>
> Cheers Brian Chatterton (Castel di Fiori, TR, ITALIA)
>
>
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