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<pre>Could any members of the group help me with information on which olive
varieties are able to withstand severe frost. We had a very cold, dry winter
this season and all the Kalamata trees on a grove I look after in Laguna
have died as a result. They are shooting again from the base, but are on
Paragon rootstock, so unless Paragon is a very frost tolerant cultivar, I am
looking for an alternative. Either table of oil will be considered.

The Manzanillo on the same block withstood the frost much better, as did the
Correggiola on the adjacent block. As a result I am now in the market for
around 300 frost hardy olive trees. A frost tolerant bank manager wouldn't
be a bad idea, either.

To add insult to injury, we've just had a hail storm. I'm not game to go and
look just yet. Yes, its been a bad day!

Regards,

Mike Wilson
Hunter Valley.
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<pre>--- In OliveOil@y..., "Mike Wilson" <mike.wilson@h...> wrote:
> Could any members of the group help me with information on which
olive
> varieties are able to withstand severe frost.

<snip>

> The Manzanillo on the same block withstood the frost much better,
as did the
> Correggiola


i think you just answered your own question, mike.


cheers,
na
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<pre>Hi Mike, I planted 40 UC 39 Olive Trees and every year the frost knocks them
back and they shoot from the bottom year after year. I would like to buy
some more trees to replace this unsuitable variety and I am glad to say the
supplier where these trees came from don`t sell this type any more.

regards,
Michael B

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Wilson [mailto:mike.wilson@...]
Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2002 6:18 PM
To: Olives Groups
Subject: [OliveOil] Frost tolerent trees


Could any members of the group help me with information on which olive
varieties are able to withstand severe frost. We had a very cold, dry winter
this season and all the Kalamata trees on a grove I look after in Laguna
have died as a result. They are shooting again from the base, but are on
Paragon rootstock, so unless Paragon is a very frost tolerant cultivar, I am
looking for an alternative. Either table of oil will be considered.

The Manzanillo on the same block withstood the frost much better, as did the
Correggiola on the adjacent block. As a result I am now in the market for
around 300 frost hardy olive trees. A frost tolerant bank manager wouldn't
be a bad idea, either.

To add insult to injury, we've just had a hail storm. I'm not game to go and
look just yet. Yes, its been a bad day!

Regards,

Mike Wilson
Hunter Valley.




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<pre>Mike

We have a young olive grove in Central Otago, in the South Island of New
Zealand. Winters here are dry and cold with air temperatures dropping to -5
to -7C on occasions. Last winter minimum air temperatures were less than 0C
on 47 days.

We have planted largely Tuscan varieties and the Leccino has been bullet
proof with no losses due to the cold. Frantoio is less hardy but we have
lost only about six trees out of 400 to 500 to the cold. Last year we
planted two Kalamata and apart from minor damage to leaf tips they survived
the winter well. Another variety that has done well in Central Otago is the
South Australian Verdale.

I hope that this helps.

Cheers
Steve Clark
Cairnmuir Olives

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Wilson <mike.wilson@...>
To: Olives Groups <OliveOil@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Monday, 14 October 2002 00:16
Subject: [OliveOil] Frost tolerent trees


>Could any members of the group help me with information on which olive
>varieties are able to withstand severe frost. We had a very cold, dry
winter
>this season and all the Kalamata trees on a grove I look after in Laguna
>have died as a result. They are shooting again from the base, but are on
>Paragon rootstock, so unless Paragon is a very frost tolerant cultivar, I
am
>looking for an alternative. Either table of oil will be considered.
>
>The Manzanillo on the same block withstood the frost much better, as did
the
>Correggiola on the adjacent block. As a result I am now in the market for
>around 300 frost hardy olive trees. A frost tolerant bank manager wouldn't
>be a bad idea, either.
>
>To add insult to injury, we've just had a hail storm. I'm not game to go
and
>look just yet. Yes, its been a bad day!
>
>Regards,
>
>Mike Wilson
>Hunter Valley.
>
>
>
>
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<pre>> Hi Mike, I planted 40 UC 39 Olive Trees and every year the frost knocks
them
> back and they shoot from the bottom year after year. I would like to buy
> some more trees to replace this unsuitable variety and I am glad to say
the
> supplier where these trees came from don`t sell this type any more.
>
> regards,
> Michael B

Thanks Michael, that's one more to cross of the list!

Mike.

> The Manzanillo on the same block withstood the frost much better,
as did the
> Correggiola


i think you just answered your own question, mike.

Thanks Nick, but we have more bloody Manzanillo than we can poke a stick at,
so that is the very last resort! Some the Hunter's Manzanillo were supposed
to be UC13A6, some were supposed to me Mission, and some were supposed to be
Manzanillo. All turned out to be Manzanillo, and we have a surplus.
Correggiola is the second most planted variety, followed by Frantoio (same
thing?) so I was after something that everybody else doesn't have.

We have planted largely Tuscan varieties and the Leccino has been bullet
proof with no losses due to the cold. Frantoio is less hardy but we have
lost only about six trees out of 400 to 500 to the cold. Last year we
planted two Kalamata and apart from minor damage to leaf tips they survived
the winter well. Another variety that has done well in Central Otago is the
South Australian Verdale.

I hope that this helps.

Cheers
Steve Clark
Cairnmuir Olives

Leccino was one I had pencilled in as a "probable" following glowing reports
from the Upper Hunter. This is a great help, as I wanted somebody to talk me
into Leccino! SA Verdale is another I had considered, but didn't know a lot
about.

Thanks to all,

Regards,

Mike.
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<pre>Mike
We are at Braidwood NSW and also experience some pretty good frosts. We have
planted Frantoio, Correggiola and some Hardys Mammoth. Although our trees are
still young we have had very little frost damage. A possible reason may be that
we have 450mm plastic sleeves around all of the trees - even if the branches get
a bit of damage the main trunk does not.
Regards
Paul Moran

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Wilson
To: Olives Groups
Sent: 13 October, 2002 6:17 PM
Subject: [OliveOil] Frost tolerent trees


Could any members of the group help me with information on which olive
varieties are able to withstand severe frost. We had a very cold, dry winter
this season and all the Kalamata trees on a grove I look after in Laguna
have died as a result. They are shooting again from the base, but are on
Paragon rootstock, so unless Paragon is a very frost tolerant cultivar, I am
looking for an alternative. Either table of oil will be considered.

The Manzanillo on the same block withstood the frost much better, as did the
Correggiola on the adjacent block. As a result I am now in the market for
around 300 frost hardy olive trees. A frost tolerant bank manager wouldn't
be a bad idea, either.

To add insult to injury, we've just had a hail storm. I'm not game to go and
look just yet. Yes, its been a bad day!

Regards,

Mike Wilson
Hunter Valley.



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<pre>> Mike
> We are at Braidwood NSW and also experience some pretty good frosts. We
have planted Frantoio, Correggiola and some Hardys Mammoth. Although our
trees are still young we have had very little frost damage. A possible
reason may be that we have 450mm plastic sleeves around all of the trees -
even if the branches get a bit of damage the main trunk does not.
> Regards
> Paul Moran
>

Paul,

These were reasonably established trees, although perhaps not in the peak of
health after a good lashing with Olive Lace Bug had weakened them. However,
most stood over a meter high and were probably 2 and a half years in the
ground, but not forced along and therefore still fairly small and bushy.

The block is the lower slopes and floor of a valley and the frost cleaned
them all up, bar one! On the valley floor is Manzanillo and on another slope
further round is Correggiola, both of which were affected but not
terminally.

I suspect the contributing factor is the light, sandy loam soil and the lack
of soil moisture during the winter. I understand that olives withstand frost
better if the soil is moist, or is this another old wives tale?

Next year we will be spraying Envy, which I've been recommended to use by a
horticulturalist friend of mine. Has anybody used this stuff? It's supposed
to form a membrane over the leaves to stop the moisture moving through the
leaves. Its also used to stop heat stress in soft leaved plants such as
grapevines.

Following several e-mails with suggestions (many thanks for all the
suggestions), Leccino it is! We are going to have a go with 30 and see how
we go.

Regards,

Mike Wilson.
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<pre>I have just planted 80 Leccino trees in Tuscany, at 1000 feet, so
frost is an issue, and Leccino were chosen for just that reason.
Bear in mind that they are self-sterile, and will need a "masculine"
plant (using the Italian terminology). We planted Pendolino and
Maurino - 1 per 10-15 Leccino trees.

Charlie Macdonald

--- In OliveOil@y..., "Mike Wilson" <mike.wilson@h...> wrote:
>
> > Mike
> > We are at Braidwood NSW and also experience some pretty good
frosts. We
> have planted Frantoio, Correggiola and some Hardys Mammoth.
Although our
> trees are still young we have had very little frost damage. A
possible
> reason may be that we have 450mm plastic sleeves around all of the
trees -
> even if the branches get a bit of damage the main trunk does not.
> > Regards
> > Paul Moran
> >
>
> Paul,
>
> These were reasonably established trees, although perhaps not in
the peak of
> health after a good lashing with Olive Lace Bug had weakened them.
However,
> most stood over a meter high and were probably 2 and a half years
in the
> ground, but not forced along and therefore still fairly small and
bushy.
>
> The block is the lower slopes and floor of a valley and the frost
cleaned
> them all up, bar one! On the valley floor is Manzanillo and on
another slope
> further round is Correggiola, both of which were affected but not
> terminally.
>
> I suspect the contributing factor is the light, sandy loam soil
and the lack
> of soil moisture during the winter. I understand that olives
withstand frost
> better if the soil is moist, or is this another old wives tale?
>
> Next year we will be spraying Envy, which I've been recommended to
use by a
> horticulturalist friend of mine. Has anybody used this stuff? It's
supposed
> to form a membrane over the leaves to stop the moisture moving
through the
> leaves. Its also used to stop heat stress in soft leaved plants
such as
> grapevines.
>
> Following several e-mails with suggestions (many thanks for all the
> suggestions), Leccino it is! We are going to have a go with 30 and
see how
> we go.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike Wilson.
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