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<pre>Sorry for bringing this up again but its not an easy subject.

Should I be irrigating this time of year or not. With the drought
that is on us on the east coast of Asutralia and since european
summers carry little rain I am a little confused as to what to do.

Any enlightenment would be great.

I also noticed that the guys that do the gopher moisture meter have
come out with a cheaper offering (around $400 - $500). Has anybody
looked at these devices yet?

It would be great to work off a quantitative formula for irrigation
rather than guesswork!

Jon
Wallan, Vic (southern foothills of the Great Dividing Range)
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<pre>Jon
You're right, its not an easy subject, so for what its worth….

For a variety of reasons I've elected to not irrigate my (young) trees
however as it has not rained for most of this year I have hand watered a
couple of times, 20 litres each tree each time. It’s a laborious
process but its only for the short term. If you are going to irrigate
then infrequent deep watering cycles are the preferred option to
encourage root growth.

If you look at the AOA awards, best oil, 'unknown old grove' (sans
irrigation I'll bet)

Next year the topic will be drainage..

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<pre>--- Roger Farquhar <rogfarlandsc@...>
wrote: > Jon

>Our First Creek "Davenport and Finn" EVOO from
Waterfall Gully, SA was the trophy winning oil in the
AOA awards produced from the 'unknown old grove'. In
fact the grove comprises the largest remaining section
(4.5 Hectares at Waterfall Gully plus remaining
Beaumont sections) of Samuel Davenport's circa 1860's
and grove which spanned Beaumont and Waterfall Gully.



You're right, its not an easy subject, so for what
> its worth….
>
> For a variety of reasons I've elected to not
> irrigate my (young) trees
> however as it has not rained for most of this year I
> have hand watered a
> couple of times, 20 litres each tree each time.
> It’s a laborious
> process but its only for the short term. If you are
> going to irrigate
> then infrequent deep watering cycles are the
> preferred option to
> encourage root growth.
>
> If you look at the AOA awards, best oil, 'unknown
> old grove' (sans
> irrigation I'll bet)
>
> Next year the topic will be drainage..
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
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<pre>Dear friends.

The discussion is very interesting, however we all do not know what really makes
a good or even outstanding oil. Too many factors have to be considered to single
out irrigation as 'the' major factor. Based on Brian Chatterton's Tuscan 'tales'
resp. example, we carefully (deficiency) irrigated our organic grove. As you can
see from the following AOA table, our 'irrigated' 6 year old Frantoio trees
produced the second Gold Medal in this year's 6th National Extra Virgin Olive
Oil Show 2002 class 1, just beaten by Antony & Brigita Whiting's wonderful
Trophy oil. The 4 silver awards Jayne Bentivoglio (as well certified organic
oils and irrigated trees) and I shared could as well point to our specific cool
climate-high altitude conditions (our groves are south of Mudgee NSW at 700 m
above sea level).
However, lack of full irrigation has shown reduced growth of new fruiting wood
for next year's harvest. I have a wonderful comparison with my neighbour's grove
(Jamindama Olives), who irrigated extensively, produced outstanding oils and
plenty of new fruiting wood.
Always something to think about and to learn, isn't it?

Knut Kammann
Lakelands Olives
CLASS 1: 50-499 L
G+Small Volume Trophy Antony & Brigita Whiting unknown old grove 200 First
Creek Waterfall Gully SA
G Knut Kammann frantoio 465 Lakeland Olives Cremorne NSW
S Jayne Bentivoglio corregiola manzanillo early 175 Rylestone Olive Press
Rylestone NSW
S Jayne Bentivoglio barnea early harvest 465 Rylestone Olive Press
Rylestone NSW
S Vici Murdoch & Gerard Gaskin koroneiki 63 Riverina Olive Grove Wagga
Wagga NSW
S Knut Kammann bouquettier 85 Lakeland Olives Cremorne NSW
S Knut Kammann corregiola 470 Lakeland Olives Cremorne NSW
S Michael & Beverley Pimm frantoio wa mission leccino trad press 100
Agonis Ridge Margaret River WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Antony Whiting
To: OliveOil@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OliveOil] re:Water & Moisture meters


--- Roger Farquhar <rogfarlandsc@...>
wrote: > Jon

>Our First Creek "Davenport and Finn" EVOO from
Waterfall Gully, SA was the trophy winning oil in the
AOA awards produced from the 'unknown old grove'. In
fact the grove comprises the largest remaining section
(4.5 Hectares at Waterfall Gully plus remaining
Beaumont sections) of Samuel Davenport's circa 1860's
and grove which spanned Beaumont and Waterfall Gully.



You're right, its not an easy subject, so for what
> its worth..
>
> For a variety of reasons I've elected to not
> irrigate my (young) trees
> however as it has not rained for most of this year I
> have hand watered a
> couple of times, 20 litres each tree each time.
> It's a laborious
> process but its only for the short term. If you are
> going to irrigate
> then infrequent deep watering cycles are the
> preferred option to
> encourage root growth.
>
> If you look at the AOA awards, best oil, 'unknown
> old grove' (sans
> irrigation I'll bet)
>
> Next year the topic will be drainage..
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>


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<pre>I agree with your comments Knut. Due to a glitch on my
part my earlier posting re 'unknown old grove' was
incomplete and in view of your comments I would like
to provide that information now...

Our Waterfall Gully olive grove comprises part of the
original Samuel Davenport Beaumont Estate of 12,000
trees which Davenport began planting in 1852. Samuel
Finn, his hardworking head gardener, lived on the dray
road connecting the Beaumont and Waterfall Gully
sections of the estate.

The 'unknown' factor in our grove is that we cannot
identify the colonial varieties with any certainty.
These old groves were planted in less than a metre of
clay and shale over limestone on well drained
hillsides at the foot of Mount Lofty in the Adelaide
Hills. First Creek flows through Waterfall Gully. We
have very high rainfall in winter and it's bone dry in
summer. We have no irrigation in place at all.
Davenport & Finn had terraced the hillside and perhaps
some of the trees near the creek could have been
irrigated but at least 95% must have been dry grown.

In addition to Davenport's neatly terraced colonial
groves there has been a proliferation of feral trees.
Obviously the olive thrives in this environment and
after 150 years these trees would appear to be drought
proof! Davenport claimed the olive should be denied
the best soils and deep loams because the best oil
came from trees grown on rocky, gravelly and drier
soils.

Davenport was a leading proponent for the development
of an olive oil industry and he argued that olives
gave value to land that could not otherwise be
utilized for planting. We know that some of the
varieties planted included Blanquette, Verdale and
Bouquettier from France and perhaps Sevillano,
Temprano and Lohayme imported from the Duke of
Wellington's Gibraltar Estate.

Of course we are most fortunate that Davenport & Finn
planted our trees and that we do not have to concern
ourselves with matters of irrigation at this stage. I
wouldn't presume to offer advice on such matters. I
can only report on our experience in this environment
under our particular climatic conditions. Like Knut I
offer this as 'something to think about' and hope this
may be of some interest and application to other
growers. My main concern at this stage is to
revitalise our trees through pruning and cleaning up
with our goats and donkeys...but that's another story!


Tony Whiting
First Creek
Waterfall Gully, SA.

--- Lakelands Olives <lakelands.olives@...>
wrote: > Dear friends.
>
> The discussion is very interesting, however we all
> do not know what really makes a good or even
> outstanding oil. Too many factors have to be
> considered to single out irrigation as 'the' major
> factor. Based on Brian Chatterton's Tuscan 'tales'
> resp. example, we carefully (deficiency) irrigated
> our organic grove. As you can see from the following
> AOA table, our 'irrigated' 6 year old Frantoio trees
> produced the second Gold Medal in this year's 6th
> National Extra Virgin Olive Oil Show 2002 class 1,
> just beaten by Antony & Brigita Whiting's wonderful
> Trophy oil. The 4 silver awards Jayne Bentivoglio
> (as well certified organic oils and irrigated trees)
> and I shared could as well point to our specific
> cool climate-high altitude conditions (our groves
> are south of Mudgee NSW at 700 m above sea level).
> However, lack of full irrigation has shown reduced
> growth of new fruiting wood for next year's harvest.
> I have a wonderful comparison with my neighbour's
> grove (Jamindama Olives), who irrigated extensively,
> produced outstanding oils and plenty of new fruiting
> wood.
> Always something to think about and to learn, isn't
> it?
>
> Knut Kammann
> Lakelands Olives
> CLASS 1: 50-499 L
> G+Small Volume Trophy Antony & Brigita Whiting
> unknown old grove 200 First Creek Waterfall Gully SA
>
> G Knut Kammann frantoio 465 Lakeland Olives
> Cremorne NSW
> S Jayne Bentivoglio corregiola manzanillo
> early 175 Rylestone Olive Press Rylestone NSW
> S Jayne Bentivoglio barnea early harvest 465
> Rylestone Olive Press Rylestone NSW
> S Vici Murdoch & Gerard Gaskin koroneiki 63
> Riverina Olive Grove Wagga Wagga NSW
> S Knut Kammann bouquettier 85 Lakeland Olives
> Cremorne NSW
> S Knut Kammann corregiola 470 Lakeland Olives
> Cremorne NSW
> S Michael & Beverley Pimm frantoio wa mission
> leccino trad press 100 Agonis Ridge Margaret River
> WA
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Antony Whiting
> To: OliveOil@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [OliveOil] re:Water & Moisture meters
>
>
> --- Roger Farquhar <rogfarlandsc@...>
> wrote: > Jon
>
> >Our First Creek "Davenport and Finn" EVOO from
> Waterfall Gully, SA was the trophy winning oil in
> the
> AOA awards produced from the 'unknown old grove'.
> In
> fact the grove comprises the largest remaining
> section
> (4.5 Hectares at Waterfall Gully plus remaining
> Beaumont sections) of Samuel Davenport's circa
> 1860's
> and grove which spanned Beaumont and Waterfall
> Gully.
>
>
>
> You're right, its not an easy subject, so for what
> > its worth..
> >
> > For a variety of reasons I've elected to not
> > irrigate my (young) trees
> > however as it has not rained for most of this
> year I
> > have hand watered a
> > couple of times, 20 litres each tree each time.
> > It's a laborious
> > process but its only for the short term. If you
> are
> > going to irrigate
> > then infrequent deep watering cycles are the
> > preferred option to
> > encourage root growth.
> >
> > If you look at the AOA awards, best oil,
> 'unknown
> > old grove' (sans
> > irrigation I'll bet)
> >
> > Next year the topic will be drainage..
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> > removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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<pre>Dear Jon,
I was browsing back through some old e-mails when I found your request. If
you go to an Internet site called www. irrigationwarehouse.com.au you can
find a section called olive grove water use calculator with various
information on it and the ability to download an Excel spreadsheet which can
help you calculate olive tree water use.
Regards Peter Birch
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To: <OliveOil@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 7:59 AM
Subject: [OliveOil] Water & Moisture meters


> Sorry for bringing this up again but its not an easy subject.
>
> Should I be irrigating this time of year or not. With the drought
> that is on us on the east coast of Asutralia and since european
> summers carry little rain I am a little confused as to what to do.
>
> Any enlightenment would be great.
>
> I also noticed that the guys that do the gopher moisture meter have
> come out with a cheaper offering (around $400 - $500). Has anybody
> looked at these devices yet?
>
> It would be great to work off a quantitative formula for irrigation
> rather than guesswork!
>
> Jon
> Wallan, Vic (southern foothills of the Great Dividing Range)
>
>
>
>
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