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<pre>>From: "M&CP Farms" <m&cpfarms@thegrid.net>
>The processing operation that you are talking about was Linsay Olive
>Growers, a co-operative that processed olives for grower members.

Yep, you are right. Lindsay as I remember was one of the biggest
cooperatives in California for table olives. Lindsay Olive cans were all
over the USA grocery stores. I remember receiving a flyer from the real
estate company at the time advertising Lindsay real estate for sale. They
used to have quite a big facility. who are the major players now in
California?

Sadoun
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<pre>> can the water by-product from the oil
>processing be used as a fertilizer, ?
>Betsy Packard
>Shelby County, KY


You know Betsy, this is an interesting question actually. At the Sadoun
olive mills in Jordan we produce a lot of water by-product "sludge" from
pressing the olives, specially because we use three-phase centrifugal
systems. This is creating an environmental issue with the Jordanian EPA.
They keep complaining, not about us only, but about all the mills in the
country, that we are producing environmentally unfriendly matter that should
be controlled. Of course no solutions are proposed or even suggested. The
only thing they came up with is you have to have a completely enclosed
concrete underground double tanks with a small opening on the top to pump
the water out by tank trucks. Then the water is suppose to be trucked away
to designated areas about 40 miles away where it is dumped into ponds. Of
course there the water seeps into the underground and eventually mixes with
the underground water. So, after all we have not solved the problem.

I might be wrong, but I have yet to see a scientific study done on this
sludge that proves that this water by-product is harmful to the environment.
I know if it is concentrated it will absolutely ruin the taste, smell, and
color of the underground water. But is it harmful? I am not sure. Is it
as bad as the liquid by-products produced by other industries? I doubt it.

We have tried to spread some of this water between the olive trees, not too
much though. We placed it about 10 feet from the trunk of the trees in a
line fashion. It seem that it helps improve the yield of those trees. I
have one of the pomegranate growers nearby tell me that his crops are much
better when his trees are irrigated by this water.

So could it be a good fertilizer, I think it is. After all, it is a natural
product with no harmful chemicals, and it is a product of the olives. So
why not. With the olive tree being such a blessed one, I believe anything
that this tree produces is blessed as well. That is my story and I am
sticking to it.

Sincerely
Jamal Sadoun
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<pre>Within the last 3 months Musco Olive consumated its acguisition of the
Early Cal operation in Visalia makeing it on an equal par with Bell-Carter
olive company. Tri Valley Growers is the third remaining blck ripe olive
processor. The problem is that they have been flirting with cease and
dissist orders from State Water Quality because of dischard problems. To
their credit they have spent a considerably sum of money to become
compliant but continue to encounter problems. Water treatment is not a
easy or well establish science that a known result can be achieved with
suriety.
One of the most frustrating problems is what is law and required today can
change and be a whole list of requirments and changes to facilities that
were in compliance.
Maurice Penna

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> From: Sadoun <ASadoun@worldnet.att.net>
> To: OliveOil@onelist.com
> Subject: [OliveOil] Re: By products
> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 6:36 PM
>
> From: "Sadoun" <ASadoun@worldnet.att.net>
>
> >From: "M&CP Farms" <m&cpfarms@thegrid.net>
> >The processing operation that you are talking about was Linsay Olive
> >Growers, a co-operative that processed olives for grower members.
>
> Yep, you are right. Lindsay as I remember was one of the biggest
> cooperatives in California for table olives. Lindsay Olive cans were all
> over the USA grocery stores. I remember receiving a flyer from the real
> estate company at the time advertising Lindsay real estate for sale.
They
> used to have quite a big facility. who are the major players now in
> California?
>
> Sadoun
>
>
>
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<pre>Greetings!
I apologize for the delay in getting back with you. This week has been WILD!
I'm finally getting time alone with no children around to respond to some of
my messages.
First, you might want to do some Internet searches on "olive oil soap", and
you'll find websites for businesses and individuals who are already making
olive oil soap, either for commercial sale, or the individuals who make this
for their own use and to give as gifts.
There is a soap making list (similar to the olive oil list), and I used to be
on it, but somehow was "dropped". I need to re-subscribe. the address for
this list is http://members.aol.com/soapmangr

Some specific sites you might want to look at could be

http://www.alcasoft.com/soapfact/history.html
This is the website for The Soap Factory

http://www.kiffe.com/soapreview
This is supposed to be The Soapmaker's Review. I haven't had the chance to
look at this site myself yet, but supposedly it has good information for
soapmakers of all levels of knowledge and experience.

Since I am a very small scale (in my own kitchen) producer, I don't have to
worry about all the "industrial" things the commercial producers have to worry
about, and I don't have the hassles of large batches, big equipment. I work
with standard kitchen pots and pans. It's and easy process at this level.
The MOST IMPORTANT thing I have discovered in making the soap is -- DON'T BE
IN A HURRY. Do not try to rush the process along. When you are stirring "
until the cows come home," do not quit stirring until the mixture really
clearly "traces". This means that when you lift your spoon and let some of
the mixture dribble on the surface, it should leave a clear "path" on the
solution in the container, and it should remain visible for quite a few
seconds. After you have made a few batches, you'll get the hang of it, and
you'll know the "feel" of the solution when it's ready to be poured into the
primary mold. (My "primary mold" is a cardboard shoebox lined with heavy
black plastic!)
The cooling must also be a slow process. Do not try to rush this. I put my
primary mold into a camping cooler and stuff plastic grocery bags all around
it, close it up and LEAVE IT ALONE!
If you have a recipe which says you'll have to go back and stir it in the
primary mold to keep the olive oil from rising to the top -- that means the
recipe has the wrong porportions and there is too much olive oil in the
recipe! I've never had to stir mine once I've poured it.
I hope this helps. Holler if you've got any more questions!
Wishing you a very blessed day!
bets

Betsy Packard
Shelby County, KY
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<pre>I guess my idea about recycling the water by-product wasn't so silly after
all, though I especially liked my idea about using it to make the olive oil
soap since it contains the "free radical antioxidant" chemicals!
However, the attorney who co-owns the bookstore where I work is a very
interesting woman with a bright, creative mind. She and I were pondering this
problem over lunch, and we came up with the idea of converting it into a food
product. What if all the actual water was evaporated out of it, or even most
of the water, and then you could use it as a flavoring in soups, stews, etc.
-- like a boullion or even a paste like Marmite?
Is this making sense to anyone? We're talking about, essentially, "olive
juice", right? I think this is an idea worth considering. If anyone has
information on why this wouldn't be an appropriate use of this by-product,
speak up. Otherwise, who's up for experimenting?
Wishing you all many blessings,
bets

Betsy Packard
Shelby County, KY
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<pre>In a message dated 3/11/99 10:49:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
m&cpfarms@thegrid.net writes:

<< One of the most frustrating problems is what is law and required today can
change and be a whole list of requirments and changes to facilities that
were in compliance. >>

Maurice hit the nail on the head here! All the BILLIONS of dollars which
have been spent to remove asbestos from public buildings -- the latest reports
indicate that it was all needless! Asbestos does not cause lung cancer. So
all these businesses and individuals spent all this money, all the
frustration, worry, etc. and it was not at all necessary!
Are the authorities who are doing all the honking about the olive by product
run off contaminating the water supply standing on fact or assumption? But
then, I go back to my soapmaking and cooking ingredient ideas, which eliminate
the problem and give the by-product water a commercial value! (It's like
making fabric out of the recycled plastic soft drink bottles!)
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