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<pre>I have just visited the australianolive.com.au site.
and am confused.
I find that the National Registration Authority of Australia has
issued off label permits for several products, one of which is for
Olive lace bug.
The treatment is with Natrasoap insecticidal soap spray.

a) What is an off label permit
b)Has anyone had experience with this product.
c)Where can I get some from.
d)How effective is it.
e)What are its drawbacks.

How can I find out what is an approved treatment for olive lace bug
which according to my book are only a problem between October to
April, but my bugs haven't read that and are still active in late May.

Actualy I have just sprayed them with 2 mls dimethoate in 1 litre
water, and await their quick demise.
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<pre>jrogerh2001@yahoo.com.au wrote:

> I have just visited the australianolive.com.au site.
> and am confused.
> I find that the National Registration Authority of Australia has
> issued off label permits for several products, one of which is for
> Olive lace bug.
> The treatment is with Natrasoap insecticidal soap spray.
>
> a) What is an off label permit

All farm chemicals are governed by the NRA and regulations which make it
illegal (seriously so) to use a chemical for any purpose that is not
specifically stated on the label (thus ON LABEL) permit.
In ordere that the chamical be permitted to be used for another use
(such as for olives, where there has been no label permit applied for)
users must apply for an OFF LABEL permit (in fact a permission to use
the chemical for a purpose other than allowed by the label). The AOA has
done this for us, and has gained some off label permits for all olive
growers.

>
> b)Has anyone had experience with this product.
> c)Where can I get some from.
> d)How effective is it.
> e)What are its drawbacks.
>
> How can I find out what is an approved treatment for olive lace bug
> which according to my book are only a problem between October to
> April, but my bugs haven't read that and are still active in late May.

The ONLY aproved treatments, in a legal sense, are the off label permits
granted so far. There were no ON label permits (as far as I am aware)
ever applied for and granted, with the possible exception of some
chemicals allowed to be used on "fruit trees". Check with Ag Dept or
local Ag Chemical seller. (They should not sell a product for use in
contravention of the law, and so should find out what you want to use
the chemical for ane advise whether it is legal or not).

The book, is it a local one or is it from OS? If from the other
hemisphere, the dates are sure to be out!

>
>
> Actualy I have just sprayed them with 2 mls dimethoate in 1 litre
> water, and await their quick demise.

Hope this helps
John
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<pre>More information about off label permits is available from the NRA website,
http://www.nra.gov.au/nra/factsheets.html
You can download info. sheets in pdf format.
Regards,
Margaret


>All farm chemicals are governed by the NRA and regulations which make it
>illegal (seriously so) to use a chemical for any purpose that is not
>specifically stated on the label (thus ON LABEL) permit.
>In ordere that the chamical be permitted to be used for another use
>(such as for olives, where there has been no label permit applied for)
>users must apply for an OFF LABEL permit (in fact a permission to use
>the chemical for a purpose other than allowed by the label). The AOA has
>done this for us, and has gained some off label permits for all olive
>growers.
>
>
>Hope this helps
>John
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Margaret Chidgey
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Technical writing and editing for science and industry.
24 Carcoola Cres., Normanhurst NSW 2076
Phone: 02 9489 3663 Fax: 02 9475 0759
email: chidgey@optusnet.com.au
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<pre>My information from the NRA is that any chemical generally registered
'for fruit trees' is acceptable to olives, likewise chemicals registered
fruit trees including (for example) 'mangoes & citrus' are acceptable
but chemicals registered for fruit trees 'mangoes & citrus' are not
suitable for olives as they are specific to their selection.

Roger Farquhar

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<pre>> My information from the NRA is that any chemical generally registered
> 'for fruit trees' is acceptable to olives, likewise chemicals registered
> fruit trees including (for example) 'mangoes & citrus' are acceptable
> but chemicals registered for fruit trees 'mangoes & citrus' are not
> suitable for olives as they are specific to their selection.
>
> Roger Farquhar
>
Roger,

Did you glean this gem from the ever-so-confusing NRA website or have you
been in touch with them directly?

Do you happen to have a list of chemicals on the "for fruit trees" list?

Mike Wilson.
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<pre>Hi Fellas

I thought I would try to explain a few things
Curently there are only 5 FIVE and only FIVE Chemicals that have off
label permits for chemicals that can be used onto olive trees. 4 of
which are for fruit bearing trees and the other is for non fruit
bearing trees.

Susan Sweeney on behalf of the AOA has submitted a number of
chemicals for approval to the NRA and at this stage only 5 have been
approved on a temporary basis ...Thus Off Label Permits.Which are
only approved for a limited time and I believe these are for 1 year
only.At such time they need to be approved for registration for use
on olive trees.(either bearing or non bearing)

If non registered chemicals are used onto olive trees and the fruit
is harvested for production of oil or table olives a potential food
safety hazard may occur, chemical residues may end up in the olive
oil produced and maximum residue limits being exceeded.
Consequently under state legislations you may be prosecuted for miss
use of chemicals.
Please be aware to use only chemicals that have off label permits and
use them in accordance with label directions.

As part of OLIVE CARE approved supplier training program which was
developed by Queensland Department of Primary Industries a HACCP Plan
( Hazard Analysis Critical Control Point) was developed for growing
and harvesting of olives for oil production and potential hazards
were identified and catogorised into 3 areas - CHEMICAL PHYSICAL &
MICROBIOLOGICAL FOOD SAFETY OR FOOD QUALITY HAZARDS.

I have copies of the permits issued and they will be handed out to
all participants of the OLIVE CARE Approved Supplier Training Program
as part of the course material.


Cheers
Gino







--- In OliveOil@y..., "Mike Wilson" <mike.wilson@h...> wrote:
>
> > My information from the NRA is that any chemical generally
registered
> > 'for fruit trees' is acceptable to olives, likewise chemicals
registered
> > fruit trees including (for example) 'mangoes & citrus' are
acceptable
> > but chemicals registered for fruit trees 'mangoes & citrus' are
not
> > suitable for olives as they are specific to their selection.
> >
> > Roger Farquhar
> >
> Roger,
>
> Did you glean this gem from the ever-so-confusing NRA website or
have you
> been in touch with them directly?
>
> Do you happen to have a list of chemicals on the "for fruit trees"
list?
>
> Mike Wilson.
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<pre>Mike,
The NRA site must have been designed by someone with retirement in mind.
I went direct & received the following information that might clarify things.

Roger Farquhar


{In relation to defining what crops are covered by product labels it
comes down to what crops are listed on the label, and then what
classification system you use to interpret that. The wording of crops
approved/listed on product labels are often quite specific (ie. olives)
or can at times be very general (ie. fruit trees), it depends upon what
label claim was proposed/considered when the product was registered.

To determine the crop relevance or not of label claims the NRA refers to
the CODEX Classification of Foods. According to Codex Olives are listed
in "Group 5 - Assorted tropical and sub-tropical fruits - edible peel".

Therefore, products that can be legally used on olives must either have
one of the following 3 listings on the product label;
1. Fruit (crop or tree)
2. Assorted tropical and sub-tropical fruits - edible peel
3. Olives

Given that many of the Bacillus products have the genearl claim on label
for "Fruit trees", then olives are covered by the approved labels and a
permit for those (Bt) products are not required as explained by Kathleen
Allan in relation to the industries application No. 3831. But members
must read each label as some similar Bt products may have different
label claims.

This does not mean that if a product is registered on any fruit crop or
various other fruit crops, that its use is legal on olives. The claim
must be "Fruit trees" (generally) or one of the other two listings above
(Points 2 and 3).

Some examples to hopefully clarify this;

If the label States;
"Fruit trees - Pome, Stone and Citrus" then the legal use only covers
those three fruit tree groups, not olives, however if the label stated;

"Fruit trees, including Pome, Stone and Citrus" then the legal use would
cover all fruit trees including olives.

The interpretation is the same if you were to have label claims that
said; "Assorted tropical and sub-tropical fruits (edible peel) -
carambola, fig and kumquat" then the legal use would only cover use on
carambola, fig and kumquats, however if the label stated;

"Assorted tropical and sub-tropical fruits (edible peel), including
carambola, fig and kumquat" then the legal would cover all Assorted
tropical and sub-tropical fruits (edible peel).}

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<pre>>
> Some examples to hopefully clarify this;
>
> If the label States;
> "Fruit trees - Pome, Stone and Citrus" then the legal use only covers
> those three fruit tree groups, not olives, however if the label stated;
>
> "Fruit trees, including Pome, Stone and Citrus" then the legal use would
> cover all fruit trees including olives.
>
> The interpretation is the same if you were to have label claims that
> said; "Assorted tropical and sub-tropical fruits (edible peel) -
> carambola, fig and kumquat" then the legal use would only cover use on
> carambola, fig and kumquats, however if the label stated;
>
> "Assorted tropical and sub-tropical fruits (edible peel), including
> carambola, fig and kumquat" then the legal would cover all Assorted
> tropical and sub-tropical fruits (edible peel).}


Thanks Roger, don't you just love Government Departments?

I suppose the next step is to start compiling a list of chemicals which fit
into the approved categories, and then seeing if we have any use for them.

Mike.
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<pre>The e-mails on this subject are both confusing and illuminating.

I think what I would like is a list of what I might use on my
Australian NSW olive trees knowing that I will not be prosecuted for
using them. By the way, who does the prosecuting and what am I in for
if found guilty.

Another aspect is that no one seems to know, or willing to pass on the
information about what Natrasoap is.
Is it organic or is it a chemical.
Has anyone any experience with its use.
What does it do?
What does it kill/repell/stop/etc.
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<pre>> The e-mails on this subject are both confusing and illuminating.
>
> I think what I would like is a list of what I might use on my
> Australian NSW olive trees knowing that I will not be prosecuted for
> using them. By the way, who does the prosecuting and what am I in for
> if found guilty.
>
> Another aspect is that no one seems to know, or willing to pass on the
> information about what Natrasoap is.
> Is it organic or is it a chemical.
> Has anyone any experience with its use.
> What does it do?
> What does it kill/repell/stop/etc.
>

Natrasoap is stocked by our local IAMA (Wesfarmers these days) outlet. On
the information page that they supply it is described as "a broad spectrum
insecticide formulated using fatty acids combined with potassium salts in a
vegetable oil base"

It is a contact spray insecticide, meaning that it works by smothering the
insects, rather than by poisoning them, but that you have to actually hit
the insect itself, not just the leaf (unlike systemic insecticides). As it
is not a poison, it is approved for use in organic farming, and I believe
also in bio-dynamic farming too.

It is described in the blurb as "effective against a wide range of insect
pests including Aphids, Mites, Leafhoppers, Thrips, Whitefly, Mealy Bugs,
Scale & Fungus Gnats". However, I have never heard of anybody who has had
satisfactory results using it on Olive Lace Bug, but I would be interested
to hear from anybody who has.

As for using other chemicals, go to the NRA website (www.nra.nsw.gov.au I
think) and there you will find all that info. There is a 7 page form to
download to apply for a permit for off-label use.

Regards,

Mike Wilson.
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