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<pre>Please I do not want any abusive replies, but I would like to ask for the
opinion of others. For deep frying I mix the cheaper olive oils with rape seed
oil and get good results. Are there any comments upon this practice? Dave.
So Morgan the Goddess she became;
the proudest she can oppress and to
her purpose tame.



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<pre>Rape seed?

Surely you mean Canola oil?

> From: "Dave" <flink@btinternet.com>
> Organization: The Middlesex Bicycle Club
> Reply-To: OliveOil@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:57:18 -0000
> To: <OliveOil@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [OliveOil] Rape Seed Oil
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> Please I do not want any abusive replies, but I would like to ask for the
> opinion of others. For deep frying I mix the cheaper olive oils with rape seed
> oil and get good results. Are there any comments upon this practice? Dave.
> So Morgan the Goddess she became;
> the proudest she can oppress and to
> her purpose tame.
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<pre>----- Original Message -----
From: "colyton" <colyton@iinet.net.au>
To: <OliveOil@yahoogroups.com>; "Dave" <flink@btinternet.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OliveOil] Rape Seed Oil


> Rape seed?
>
> Surely you mean Canola oil?

It is called rape seed oil in the U.K. Rape seed used to be regarded as a
weed and a farmer who had rape seed in his field was regarded as a lazy
farmer, but now there is field after field of cultivated rape seed. I am
very happy that olive oil and rape seed oil or canola is now so freely
available at modest prices in the U.K. For bulk deep frying I find a mixture
of olive oil and canola brings ideal results. Dave.
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<pre>Dave

What you are probably (hopefully??) using to dilute your cheap olive oil is
canola. Traditional rapeseed oil is certainly not fit for human consumption,
as it contains high levels of an extremely toxic C-22 fatty acid called
euricic
acid. The Canadians developed a "low euricic rape" which they called canola
(but even this still contains some euricic acid).

There are those that maintain that even the low euricic canola oils should
be completely avoided, as they contain other horrible things like toxic
isothiocyanates.

Rapeseed oil, previously used in animal feed rations, has even been
implicated in Mad Cow Disease. Evidently it was banned in England and Europe
as an ingredient in animal feeds in 1991.

See http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/CANOLA.HTM , and you might just
decide to use something else to stretch that cheap olive oil of yours.

Guido Costa
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<pre>Dave:

I think you need to check out the book "Olive Oil, From Tree to Table" by
Peggy Knickerbocker. Aside from being a really good book for Olive Oil
lovers it specifically addresses the deep frying issue on pages 34 & 35.
Hope this helps.
Phil
Phil Maro
pmaro@rev.net
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<pre>Thanks. I have bookmarked the website address and will research what you
say. I have already learnt a lot from this news group in a short time an am
most grateful to you all.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Guido Costa" <costa@mweb.co.za>
To: <OliveOil@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [OliveOil] Rape Seed Oil


> Dave
>
> What you are probably (hopefully??) using to dilute your cheap olive oil
is
> canola. Traditional rapeseed oil is certainly not fit for human
consumption,
> as it contains high levels of an extremely toxic C-22 fatty acid called
> euricic
> acid. The Canadians developed a "low euricic rape" which they called
canola
> (but even this still contains some euricic acid).
>
> There are those that maintain that even the low euricic canola oils should
> be completely avoided, as they contain other horrible things like toxic
> isothiocyanates.
>
> Rapeseed oil, previously used in animal feed rations, has even been
> implicated in Mad Cow Disease. Evidently it was banned in England and
Europe
> as an ingredient in animal feeds in 1991.
>
> See http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/CANOLA.HTM , and you might
just
> decide to use something else to stretch that cheap olive oil of yours.
>
> Guido Costa
>
>
>
>
>
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> Invite others to join this group. It is simple:
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<pre>From: "Dave" <flink@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:57:18 -0000

For deep frying I mix the cheaper olive oils with rape
seed oil and get good results. Are there any comments upon this practice?

Neither olive oil or canola is particularly suited to deep frying. Even if
the final product tastes and smells okay to you, the oils are damaged by
the high heat and that's not particularly good for you.

Coconut is an excellent deep frying oil for those of us who don't eat
animal oils. Ignore all the myths about it being bad for you, it's
actually quite healthy.

There are other good vegetable oils too. Deep frying is a difficult
practice to find oils for because most do not hold up to the heat. It's
also quite hard to know if you've damaged your oil with heat, but your body
knows.

Cyndi
who uses nothing but extra-virgin olive oil for 95% of her cooking

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<pre>Dear Guido,

There is a lot of misinformation about canola oil, much of it propogated
through the internet. Most of the canola found on supermarket shelves,
certainly in Australia, is not derived from genetically engineered rapeseed
but was developed from a low erucic acid strain of rapeseed about thirty
years ago. The amount of erucic acid in canola is mostly under 2 or 3%
and, in these amounts, there is no evidence that it is harmful to humans.
High amounts of erucic acid were used to treat patients with the severe
neurological disease X-linked adrenoleukodystrophy (ALD)for a number of
years so this is a useful study on the effects of erucic acid in humans.
There were some minor abnormalities in platelets (the blood components
involved in clotting) and few other effects. Incidentally, erucic acid is
also a significant component of mustard seed oil which, I think, has been
used in some parts of India as a cooking oil for a long time.

Canola has a big advantage over olive oil in that it contains significant
amounts of ALA, an omega-3 fatty acid believed to protect the heart from
arrhythmias. The Lyon Diet Heart study provided evidence that small
amounts of canola in the diet can reduce the mortality rate in survivors of
a heart attack and this effect was considered to be due to the ALA in
canola. I would be interested to learn where the evidence for the claim
that canola is implicated in mad cow disease comes from. I wonder too
about the claim that the oil from canola contains "toxic thiocyanates",
what these thiocyanates are, and whether they really occur in the oil in
sufficient amounts to worry about. Incidentally, some thiocyanates may even
have anti-cancer properties.

While ALA is believed to be a desirable component of canola, it is an
unstable fatty acid and prone to oxidation. It is almost certainly
unstable when subjected to the frying temperatures and that is why
varieties of canola that have greatly reduced amounts of ALA have been
developed. These oils will have a similar fatty acid composition to olive
oil and, if the price (and flavour) is right, they could gain a
considerable share of the frying oil market.

Alfred Poulos
Megisti Oils
www.megistioils.com>
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<pre>Cyndi. Thank you for your views about coconut oil. This seems to be a North
Indian versus South Indian thing. People in North India use ghee and condemn
coconut oil as harmful, and visa versa with South India. Actually South
Indian cookery is less popular than North Indian but it tastes 100% better
than the dishes eaten in North India, and Sri Lankan food is out of this
world. I find the "sodi" or "hothi" far far better than ghee sodden curry,
etc. I have also heard a lot of bad things about unrefined palm oil, but
used sparingly with fried flat breads it makes them taste divine. I just
cannot understand how any vegetable oil can higher ones cholesterol? Surely
things like lard, dripping, and ghee do that, but not coconut oil or palm
oil?
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<pre>There is nothing wrong with refined or ordinary olive oil for deef fat
frying. The smoke and flash points are similar to those for corn oil. In
addition the residue of vitamin E in the refined oil - about 40% that of the
virgin oil - helps the oil to resist high temperatures for a longer period.

Thus if you use a thermostatically controlled deep fat fryer and ordinary
olive oil you can fry for up to ten sessions. Remember to filter the oil
each time to remove bits of food.

It is extra virgin olive oil which should not be used for deep fat frying as
you cannot be sure of the smoke and flash points. Some evoos have a good
reading, others do not.

This information is backed by information from a goodly number of the olive
oil research stations in Europe.

Judy Ridgway
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